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In our sixth and final episode of the Fire in the Southwest Series—sponsored by the Southwest Fire Science Consortium and the Arizona Wildfire Initiative—we explore the complex, multicultural fire histories and management dynamics in New Mexico, with State Forester and Tribal Liaison Lindsey Quam.



New Mexico&#8217;s recent relationship with fire has been fraught with distrust in the aftermath of the 2022 Calf Canyon Hermits Peak Fire, which started from an escaped prescribed fire and an escaped pile burn. Lindsey&#8217;s career has been bookended by such events, having started his career in Los Alamos, NM in the aftermath of the 2000 Cerro Grande Fire, which also started as an escaped prescribed fire. This has allowed him to witness first hand how public trust has ebbed and flowed around the use of prescribed fire. It&#8217;s also presented opportunities for him to help shape and better understand the many mixed emotions New Mexicans have around this topic.



Lindsey spoke to how the intersecting cultures and management values across New Mexico—including Indigenous peoples, the Hispanic population and, well, white people—presents challenges but also opportunities in trying to extoll the merits of prescribed fire.



&#8220;There’s no dispute amongst native New Mexicans who live off the land—there is a recognition that fire is important and necessary, but there&#8217;s also a fear,&#8221; Lindsey, who is himself a member of the Zuni Pueblo, said.



Lindsey also shared how his agency is scaling up forest treatments through collaboration, and establishing priority landscapes to implement landscape-scale resilience projects.



If you&#8217;d like to learn more about acequias, which are mentioned in this episode, I can&#8217;t recommend&nbsp;<a href="https://sourcenm.com/briefs/new-map-shows-where-burn-scar-threatens-historic-acequias/">Patrick Lohmann&#8217;s reporting</a>&nbsp;enough. He is a journalist with Source NM and did some stellar reporting on the impacts of the Calf Canyon Hermits Peak Fire on acequias and traditional (and often rural) communities in northern New Mexico.&nbsp;

Fire in the Southwest Ep. 6: The Ebb and Flow of Public Trust Around Prescribed Fire, with New Mexico State Forester Lindsey Quam

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For our fifth episode of the the Fire in the Southwest Series, we&#8217;re talking managed wildfires, which has a number of alter egos depending on who you talk to in the wildfire world, some of which include &#8220;wildland fire use&#8221; or &#8220;managing wildfires for resource benefit&#8221;.



<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V6_cdD4aRI" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Dr. Jose &#8220;Pepe&#8221; Iniguez</a>, a research ecologist at the Rocky Mountain Research Station, is our fearless leader on this journey through the fraught, occasionally contentious world of managed fire. Pepe has had a long career studying wildfire impacts in forested landscapes while building a better understanding of how our public lands have been shaped by disturbances like wildfire. His takeaway? We can&#8217;t effectively manage forests at the landscape scale without the help of wildfires, and managed fire is the most feasible answer to the question of how we reach &#8220;scale&#8221; in our ability to build landscape resilience.



In short, managed fires are often lightning-caused wildfires that are determined to be burning in an area that is not likely to impact nearby communities, infrastructure, watersheds etc. As such, they are not managed with &#8220;full suppression&#8221; as the main priority. They are heavily monitored by ground resources (if the fire is accessible) and aircraft, though on occasion these fires become &#8220;wildfires for resource benefit&#8221; merely because there aren&#8217;t enough resources to attend to them. See: the 2021 fire season in California. In many cases, these types of fires burn in wilderness areas where fire suppression can be extremely difficult because of a lack of access, and which is made all the more difficult by designations that disallow the use of things like chainsaws and helicopters.&nbsp;



Want more information about managed fire? Check out this&nbsp;<a href="https://www.swfireconsortium.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/ManagedFireFactsheet_FINAL3.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">fact sheet&nbsp;</a>from our sponsor for this episode, the Southwest Fire Science Consortium.&nbsp;



This&nbsp;<a href="https://fireadaptednetwork.org/managed-wildfire-essential-tool-for-better-fire-future/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">recent blog post</a>&nbsp;from the Fire Adapted Communities Learning Network is also very much worth the read if you&#8217;re hungry for more context around managed fire. This blog was &nbsp;written by a recent guest of the podcast, Zander Evans from the Forest Stewards Guild.&nbsp;



A huge thank you to both the Southwest Fire Science Consortium and the Arizona Wildfire Initiative for supporting this episode and all of the other episodes from our Fire in the Southwest Series.&nbsp;



Timestamps:&nbsp;



00:00 &#8211; Episode Start&nbsp;



01:31 &#8211; Pepe&#8217;s Background&nbsp;



07:56 &#8211; 1996 Fires



11:04 &#8211; The Early Days Of Managed Fire&nbsp;



14:01 &#8211; Thinning Versus Fire, Thinning PLUS Fire



16:00 &#8211; Prescribed Fire Scales As A Tool&nbsp;



17:40 &#8211; Pepe&#8217;s View On Managed Fire&nbsp;



19:48 &#8211; Lessons Learned with Managed Fire



22:24 &#8211; The Benefit of Starting Small in Building A Managed Fire Program&nbsp;



25:24 &#8211; Experimental Forests&nbsp;



28:27 &#8211; Hotshot Crews Work On the Long Valley Experimental Forest&nbsp;



30:47 &#8211; Smaller, More Local Incident Management Teams Often Work Better&nbsp;



32:56 &#8211; Social Implications Of Managed Fires&nbsp;



35:29 &#8211; Thoughts on Improving Public Perception of Managed Fires &nbsp;



38:30 &#8211; Prescribed Fire and Managed Fire Have Different Liabilities



40:06 &#8211; Do We Need A Fire Influencer? Pepe suggests Britney Spears.&nbsp;



41:37 &#8211; The Work of the Southwest Fire Consortium&nbsp;



49:50 &#8211; Episode End

Fire in the Southwest Ep. 5: Using Wildfire To Build Resilience at the Landscape Scale, with Dr. Jose (Pepe) Iniguez

If you’ve found yourself wondering “where the heck is the aircraft?” while watching a fire burn near you, this is the episode for you.
Guest Matt Lynde—a helicopter operations specialist for the Forest Service’s Regional Office in California—gave us a run-down on why some fires have huge airshows and others have almost none, and even tackled a few common misconceptions about the use of aircraft in fighting wildfires. Among these misconceptions is the idea that aircraft put fires out and that if you don’t see aircraft on a fire, that means it’s not a high priority for fire managers. As Matt explains in this episode, there’s a ton that goes into the decisions on where aircraft goes and when, and noted how challenging it is to prioritize certain fires over others during big fire seasons when resources are limited.
Matt also spoke about his career as a helicopter coordinator, and how he climbed the ranks from being on engines and helitack for the Forest Service early in his career to finding an interest in aerial supervision and coordination later in his career. If you have an interest in working on the aerial side of things within the Forest Service, this is a good episode for you.
This episode of Life with Fire was created in conjunction with Region Five of the Forest Service, for a project that explores some of the common public misconceptions about aerial firefighting. The full Storymap can be found <a href="_wp_link_placeholder" data-wplink-edit="true">here</a>.
Timestamps:
00:00 – Episode Introduction
05:07 – Matt’s Introduction And Background
06:51 – Helicopter Coordinator Position Details
08:38 – Matt’s Initial Interest In Aviation
10:22 – Changes In Air Attack
12:19 – Safety Procedures And Risk Factors of Aerial Firefighting
14:45 – Misconceptions About Aircraft Firefighting
17:36 – Benefits Of Helicopter Coordination
18:53 – Fire Retardant Use—Benefits and Limitations
20:14 – How Aircraft Supports Firefighters On The Ground
23:32 – Other Limitations To Fighting Fire With Aircraft
25:06 – What Factors Inform Availability of Aerial Support
28:02 – Lack Of Resources Problem
30:03 – Outro

Pros, Cons and Misconceptions of Aerial Firefighting with Matt Lynde

With fire season escalating across the West this week, many people are downloading Watch Duty App for the first time. But what is Watch Duty all about? Why was it created? Where does their information come from? What do agency employees think about it?



We spoke to&nbsp;<a href="https://www.watchduty.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Watch Duty</a>&nbsp;CEO John Mills about the Watch Duty app as well as fire technology more broadly, and gave him a chance to respond to some listener questions from PIOs, wildland firefighters, community resilience experts and others in the Life with Fire community. His responses are about as no-BS as they come, and he provided an honest assessment of where the app is currently and where he’d like it to be in the near and far-off future. A few things they’re adding in the near future include a version of the app just for first responders, which John speaks to in the episode, while in the longer term he’s looking forward to exploring how Watch Duty can provide more opportunities for community education about wildfire and wildfire resilience.&nbsp;



Timestamps:&nbsp;



07:33 – Interview starts, John explains his background in Silicon Valley



10:10 – The Beginnings Of Watch Duty&nbsp;



12:12 – John’s experiences of the Walbridge Fire&nbsp;



13:21 – Watch Duty’s Functionality&nbsp;



16:20 – How they find reporters/contributors for Watch Duty&nbsp;



18:06 – Concerns and Questions from PIOs/PAOs&nbsp;



21:07 – Gaining Trust And Users&nbsp;



22:25 – The Future of The App



25:01 – Upcoming Watch Duty Features &nbsp;&nbsp;



26:48 – Public Education Features&nbsp;



29:40 – Watch Duty’s Role In The Fire Tech Space&nbsp;



34:48 – John’s Thoughts On the Fire Tech Industry&nbsp;



42:39 – Watch Duty’s Main Benefit Is Efficiency&nbsp;



47:16 – How People Use Watch Duty&nbsp;



49:50 – The Reason They Don’t Allow Comments on Watch Duty



50:49 – Outro

Fire Tech and Improving Access to Wildfire Information, with Watch Duty Founder John Clarke Mills

Welcome to episode four of our Fire in the Southwest Series, supported by the&nbsp;<a href="https://www.swfireconsortium.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Southwest Fire Science Consortium</a>&nbsp;as well as the&nbsp;<a href="https://azwildfire.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Arizona Wildfire Initiative</a>! Today’s guest, Zander Evans, is the executive director of the&nbsp;<a href="https://foreststewardsguild.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Forest Stewards Guild</a>, which has a mission of promoting ecologically-, economically-, and socially-responsible forestry as a means of sustaining the integrity of forest ecosystems and the human communities dependent upon them. Based in Santa Fe, New Mexico, the Guild’s team—including Zander, who has worked there for over 17 years—has seen the first-hand impacts of some of the most destructive wildfires of the last two decades, including the 2022 Calf Canyon/Hermits Peak Fire.



Zander and Amanda spoke about the role of the Forest Stewards Guild in helping provide more capacity for often resource-strapped agencies, as well as how their roles are shifting with the legacy and rise in megafires like the CC/HP Fire. We discussed the Guild’s objective to connect work on the ground to policy, while creating a network of land stewards that can learn from each other and share resources, lessons learned and other critical information that can help others dealing with similar issues across the country.&nbsp;



We covered a lot in this episode, and in classic form, Amanda asked many difficult-to-answer questions that Zander did a great job of tackling—including questions about trauma-informed community engagement, how to continue to get good work done within a legacy of escaped prescribed fires and how communities can more effectively prepare for the “post-fire” piece of the resilience equation.&nbsp;



Things mentioned in the episode:



<a href="https://www.santafefireshed.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Santa Fe Fireshed</a>



<a href="https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-rebuild-lives-of-smokey-bear-hotshots" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">GoFundMe for Smokey Bear Hotshots</a>. Many of the crew’s members tragically lost their homes in the fires near Ruidoso, NM last week. They were responding to the fire when this happened. Please support if you’re able!



Timestamps:&nbsp;



07:56 – The Guild’s Intersection With Wildfire Management



13:38 – Engagement Practices Since Calf Canyon/Hermits Peak



15:38 – Keeping Agency Folks In Same Roles/Locations Would Help Collaborative Efforts



16:44 – Guild Partnership With The Forest Service



19:27 – Hermits Peak Calf Canyon Fire Aftermath And Community Perception of Prescribed Fire



23:57 – Zander’s Recommendations For Other Fire Prone Communities



26:12 – Santa Clara Pueblo Takeaways



28:00 – Community Wildfire Protection Plans (CWPPs) Should Include Post Fire Element



30:20 – Preplanning For Post Fire Impacts and Things To Consider In Pre Planning



37:14 – Encouraging People To Go Back Outside After Experiencing Fire Trauma



39:05 – The Santa Fe Fireshed and Using Watershed Concerns to Frame Management Practices



44:24 – Implementation Takes Community Engagement!

Fire in the Southwest Ep. 4: The Shifting Role of the Forest Stewards Guild in an Era of Megafires, with Zander Evans

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Ep. 71—Fire in the Southwest Ep. 6: The Ebb and Flow of Public Trust Around Prescribed Fire, with New Mexico State Forester Lindsey Quam

Ep. 70—Fire in the Southwest Ep. 5: Using Wildfire To Build Resilience at the Landscape Scale, with Dr. Jose (Pepe) Iniguez

Ep. 69—Pros, Cons and Misconceptions of Aerial Firefighting with Matt Lynde

Ep. 68—Fire Tech and Improving Access to Wildfire Information, with Watch Duty Founder John Clarke Mills

Ep. 67—Fire in the Southwest Ep. 4: The Shifting Role of the Forest Stewards Guild in an Era of Megafires, with Zander Evans

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